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Do You Skim?" by Jo Walton is the result of her being amazed when I told her that I skim the sorts of things I don't want to read in some fiction, and then continue with the story. She reads every word.

Actually, "sorts of thing" isn't exact-- I skim Laurel Hamilton's sex scenes, but that doesn't mean I skim everyone's sex scenes.

This led to an extended discussion, and I'd be amazed myself if there isn't at least one reading style in the comments which surprises the hell out of you.

As far as I can tell, there are people who skim sex and/or action scenes, and there are people who skim description, but nobody skims dialogue.

Date: 2010-09-14 03:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dcseain
The post was interesting, but i bogged down in the repetitive comments.

Date: 2010-09-13 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smallship1.livejournal.com
Oh good. Dialogue is what I do best. :)

Date: 2010-09-13 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goodbyemyboy.livejournal.com
I skim when things get boring, which really just depends on the book. When I'm in skim mode, I don't purposely set out to not skim dialogue; but long passages of dialogue make me slow down just because it takes your brain longer to catch who's talking than it does to catch who's acting in action scenes, even if the dialogue and tags are perfectly clear.

Date: 2010-09-13 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com
My friend [livejournal.com profile] seki_raku has talked to me about putting on a movie or a television episode while she grades papers or does other sorts of work, watching it closely when something interesting is going on, but not otherwise; or fast forwarding through till she hits an interesting scene. I could not stand to watch anything that way, and I think I would find it irritating to see someone else do so. When I watch video, I sit down and watch it with full attention, doing nothing else. It bothers me to see [livejournal.com profile] chorale get up and go out to the kitchen, "just for a minute," because she may miss something.

Date: 2010-09-14 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com
A lot of American television, and some American movies, really work almost as well treated as radio plays as they do as video, except for the occasional silent, visual cue (often itself telegraphed by other cues in the soundtrack so I'll know to look up in time, but not always).

I felt a little guilty about this, until the night I was searching for something to listen to in the cab of a rental truck full of an ex-girlfriend's belongings when I was helping her move, and caught the middle of a radio drama ... and several minutes into it, suddenly realized that it was a science fiction television show I'd seen. Sure, I didn't see the expensive special effects or the beautiful-people casting on the radio, but they hadn't added anything for the radio broadcast, and it worked just fine.

There are a few American shows where this doesn't work at all (oddly enough, the examples that come to mind are sitcoms that rely heavily on facial expressions and body language to convey important information at least a couple times per episode), a few more British ones, and my very limited sample of Swedish productions suggests that it'd be a bad viewing tactic there.

That said, I can see why this approach could irritate you.

Date: 2010-09-15 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com
I had the radiodrama experience with Star Trek decades ago, when my then girlfriend audiotaped episodes of the original series: It was perfectly possible to follow the action from the sound alone. She tried it once with The Avengers . . . and gave up. I once upset some Star Trek fans by saying that this showed that the program didn't make effective use of the medium.

Date: 2010-09-14 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com
(Then again, lately I watch a lot of television with my mother, and she usually falls asleep during shows she very definitely wanted to watch, thus missing many more details than I do. ;-) )

Date: 2010-09-13 05:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] autopope.livejournal.com
Author's moral received: put all your action and sex scenes inside the quotes!

Date: 2010-09-13 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 19-crows.livejournal.com
Yeah, I skim when I'm bored, too, and that depends on what's going on. Sometimes action scenes are boring, sometimes sex scenes are boring. Sometimes description is boring. Dialog usually isn't, but it can be.

Date: 2010-09-13 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 19-crows.livejournal.com
Thanks for the pointer to that discussion; it gave me stuff to think about how I read. When I'm not skimming I don't read every word, and I always assumed everyone reads that way, but maybe not.

Date: 2010-09-13 05:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] avram
The amazing take-away for me is that large numbers of SF/F readers will read books that they don't really like.

Date: 2010-09-13 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com
Yes, that amazed me too.

I mean what is the point of reading for pleasure and not getting any pleasure? They could read something else!

Date: 2010-09-14 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com
It's kind of like feeling that one is obligated to eat everything on one's plate. (Not defending, just providing a partial explanation of the behaviour.)

Date: 2010-09-15 06:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-knight.livejournal.com
Does one have to like all of a book to get pleasure from it? Particularly when you're reading books for the ideas they contain - and SF is a genre of ideas - you might not like certain aspects (infodumps, sex scenes, drawn-out battles) and still be interested in the rest. And sometimes we read to have read - a book, or an author that our friends are talking about, so we can build our own picture.

Also, I am puzzled that you should equate skimming over certain scenes with 'not getting pleasure' - by paying little attention to the bits that annoy them, those readers turn books into a *more* pleasurable experience for them.

Date: 2010-09-15 05:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-knight.livejournal.com
I'd say they're giving writers - and stories - a chance: instead of putting books down, they're reading on. And that's not a bad trait in a reader.

Date: 2010-09-13 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deor.livejournal.com
If you skim the sex scenes out of the Meredith Gentry stories, there's no book left.

Date: 2010-09-13 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deor.livejournal.com
added thought: this is why I stopped reading the series. If you take all the sex out of the entire series, there's a rather cool take on the faerie struggling to come out. Alas.

Date: 2010-09-14 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llennhoff.livejournal.com
My wife reads the Honor Harrington books and skims or even just flips past the infodumps on military stuff and even the battle scenes. She has complained at times that Weber has people talk too much during battles, so she has to skim instead of skip.

Date: 2010-09-14 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] llennhoff.livejournal.com
Changing media, if you fast forward/skip through the violent parts of Demolition Man, you have one of the best short Sci Fi comedies ever made.

Date: 2010-09-14 03:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cellio
I don't skim fiction except as a short-term measure. If I'm losing interest in a book I will sort of skim/jump ahead a few times to see if it looks like it's just a temporary lull, and if so I'll go back to reading. If that look-ahead makes me think I'm facing more of the same, I stop reading it.

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