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I've long been annoyed with "You don't need to know things, you just need to know where to look them up".

It's a half truth, and I think of google as the larger part of my brain, but I also think you need to know a lot of specific stuff to know what things mean rather than just repeating the common opinion, and sometimes the specific thing you need to know is sufficiently weird that I'm not sure what you'd need to know to look it up.

It turns out that in ngrams, if you see a sudden rise around 1800 of a word containing s, it may be because the long s (which mercifully looks like an f) went out of fashion.

I need to come up with a button slogan about the world being made of details. And maybe something about chaos, because you never know when a detail will affect or be connected to something unlikely.

Only vaguely related, but I find it satisfying that it gets colder on clear nights because more heat leaks out into space-- there isn't usually such a direct and obvious connection between something which can be felt and the larger universe.

There used to be a magazine called Lingua Franca which reported on various aspects of academe, and I miss it tremendously. One of the articles was "Atlas Shrugged", about the ability to perform searches on vast amounts of geographic data combined with uncertainty about how carefully the data was collected.

See this from [livejournal.com profile] thnidu about just how low quality the ngram hits can be from early books.

Definitely

Date: 2010-12-19 09:08 pm (UTC)
redbird: closeup of me drinking tea, in a friend's kitchen (Default)
From: [personal profile] redbird
Sometimes what you need to know is what questions make sense. So you may not need to know people's phone numbers, if they're listed--but you need to know that mobile numbers usually aren't. So it's more important to keep your address/phone number list current than it used to be.

Another example off the top of my head: a naive search to find the population of New York City is going to produce a very odd-looking jump if you're not careful, because in the 1890 census that was just Manhattan and the Bronx, and in 1900 it also included Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island.

Date: 2010-12-19 09:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] siderea
"You don't need to know things, you just need to know where to look them up" is a lot like saying, "I don't need to cache anything in memory, disk read is fast enough": anyone who says it has betrayed that they're not really so concerned with high performance situations and calculations.

Date: 2010-12-19 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jim-p.livejournal.com
It's a half truth, and I think of google as the larger part of my brain, but I also think you need to know a lot of specific stuff to know what things mean rather than just repeating the common opinion, and sometimes the specific thing you need to know is sufficiently weird that I'm not sure what you'd need to know to look it up.

I've only recently realized that part of the reason I had such a hard time at MIT (and Akamai) was that at times I was so confused I didn't even know what *questions* to ask... so helpful offers of "Just ask for help" were of little use to me

Date: 2010-12-19 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] womzilla.livejournal.com
Last year I posted about my searches into the word "falutin'" (as in, "high-falutin'"); I commented then on pre-1800 uses of the word "saluting" being mis-OCRed into "falutin" or "faluting".

Date: 2010-12-22 05:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] thnidu.livejournal.com
If you really want to see professional linguists dig into the fallacies of those google n-grams, try this thread in the archives of the American Dialect Society discussion list. The top-line "right-arrowhead lightbulb" icon button takes you to the next post in the thread. I count the thread as 31 messages long, starting Dec. 17 through the latest post on Dec. 20.

Date: 2010-12-23 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orawnzva.livejournal.com
I would say this: It may be enough to be able to look things up at need, but it is not enough to know where to look things up. You need to know how to look things up — which search systems to ask, what to ask them, how to tell when you've found what you're looking for, and how to interpret what you find. This is one of those Big Things that we should be teaching our kids in school these days, because it's going to be the foundation of much of their knowledge. I know that there's a lot that I don't know about how to do some kinds of scholarly research, and it's holding me back a little in grad school.

As a techno-futurist, think of it this way: Even without direct neural interfaces, people in the developed world today are already cyborgs, plugged into the internet through our senses, just as our ancestors were plugged into books through their senses. But a connection is not enough, you need software that implements an appropriate protocol and can drive the interface so that it actually does what it's supposed to do. Installing good network data service device drivers in our kids' brains should be a primary goal of modern schooling.

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