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nancylebovI've been in some discussions about what happened to the short sf story--once upon a time, the short story was a major part of the sf field, and now (to put it mildly) it isn't.
Perhaps most readers just don't like short fiction any more--this is certainly borne out by short fiction having declined even more outside sf than in sf. Subtheory: If you want a half-hour's worth of fiction, television fills that niche. On the other hand, tv and movies aren't good at novels.
Perhaps it's an evil publisher conspiracy--it's easier to make money selling series of novels than to do all that editorial work just to end up with a short story that has to be grouped with a bunch of other short stories. I don't believe this one: it's quite clear that a lot of people love long novels and long series of novels. (Blaming long sf on word processors is a failed theory for the same reason--word processors make long fiction possible but not inevitable.)
This would relate to the idea that the natural length for fiction is long, and once sf had enough pretige that publishers were willing to produce long sf novels, sf expanded to its normal length.
Perhaps all the good short story ideas have been used up, so writers are forced into longer forms. This one is hard to prove one way or the other, but when I read best of the year anthologies and still like only a few of the stories, it's a tempting theory.
My best guess is that the field has simply been unlucky--we just haven't happened to have excellent short story editors for the past few decades.
Anyway, I've come up with a way of testing the hypothesis that people simply don't want to read short stories any more and/or there are hardly any short stories worth writing.
Fan fiction offers an interesting test case--it's driven purely by desire and has no economic constraints. However, I haven't read much fan fiction, so I'm hoping some of you reading this have. Are there substantial numbers of short fanfics? Are many of them considered classics?
Here are some links about fanfic:
On fanfic getting closer to the id than commercial fiction does
On fanfiction as the free play of the imagination--it doesn't set out to be subversive or anything else in particular
And a couple of short stories:
"A Lot to Be Upset About" This is simply the funniest thing I've read in quite a while. I think it would even amuse people who haven't read Harry Potter books or don't like them. This story is by Cassie Claire, who's also the author of the famed Very Secret Diaries, a combination of scurrilous slash and well-thought out non-slash silliness about the LOTR movies. "Where is the horse and the rider? No, really, that was my favorite horse."
"Black Is the Color", a classic about what really happens in the fitting rooms of the clothes store that caters to villains.
I'd be interested in suggestions for classic short fanfic and/or short sf online--the fanfic doesn't have to be slash even though my three good examples happen to be.
Final random question: if homosexuality becomes completely socially acceptable, will slash be destroyed?
Perhaps most readers just don't like short fiction any more--this is certainly borne out by short fiction having declined even more outside sf than in sf. Subtheory: If you want a half-hour's worth of fiction, television fills that niche. On the other hand, tv and movies aren't good at novels.
Perhaps it's an evil publisher conspiracy--it's easier to make money selling series of novels than to do all that editorial work just to end up with a short story that has to be grouped with a bunch of other short stories. I don't believe this one: it's quite clear that a lot of people love long novels and long series of novels. (Blaming long sf on word processors is a failed theory for the same reason--word processors make long fiction possible but not inevitable.)
This would relate to the idea that the natural length for fiction is long, and once sf had enough pretige that publishers were willing to produce long sf novels, sf expanded to its normal length.
Perhaps all the good short story ideas have been used up, so writers are forced into longer forms. This one is hard to prove one way or the other, but when I read best of the year anthologies and still like only a few of the stories, it's a tempting theory.
My best guess is that the field has simply been unlucky--we just haven't happened to have excellent short story editors for the past few decades.
Anyway, I've come up with a way of testing the hypothesis that people simply don't want to read short stories any more and/or there are hardly any short stories worth writing.
Fan fiction offers an interesting test case--it's driven purely by desire and has no economic constraints. However, I haven't read much fan fiction, so I'm hoping some of you reading this have. Are there substantial numbers of short fanfics? Are many of them considered classics?
Here are some links about fanfic:
On fanfic getting closer to the id than commercial fiction does
On fanfiction as the free play of the imagination--it doesn't set out to be subversive or anything else in particular
My imagination automatically turns things on their heads, supplies more of what I liked, resolves what I feel needs to be resolved, addresses what my own sensibility misses in any text, and it does that spontaneously, without conscious effort.
And a couple of short stories:
"A Lot to Be Upset About" This is simply the funniest thing I've read in quite a while. I think it would even amuse people who haven't read Harry Potter books or don't like them. This story is by Cassie Claire, who's also the author of the famed Very Secret Diaries, a combination of scurrilous slash and well-thought out non-slash silliness about the LOTR movies. "Where is the horse and the rider? No, really, that was my favorite horse."
"Black Is the Color", a classic about what really happens in the fitting rooms of the clothes store that caters to villains.
I'd be interested in suggestions for classic short fanfic and/or short sf online--the fanfic doesn't have to be slash even though my three good examples happen to be.
Final random question: if homosexuality becomes completely socially acceptable, will slash be destroyed?
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Date: 2004-12-06 04:58 pm (UTC)I don't ever hear my gay friends discussing drag, which makes its way on the back of the same preconceptions and gender stereotypes, as something that will go away because of the acceptability of another part of the 'gay subculture'. suburban fags coming into some acceptance hasn't destroyed a completely different part of the culture. Likewise, the acceptability of 'two men together' in people's minds still doesn't make that Edmund/Eustace/Aslan story any more acceptable.
Besides, frankly, I think that slash occupies the same space in fantasy psyches as 'and then she looked coyly at her friend' letters in Penthouse do; that fantasy held by people who like Gender X to be presented to them in piles and piles...it's straight men who write about women getting it on for the letters mags, it's straight men (from the studies I've read) who are writing the bulk of the slash.
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Date: 2004-12-06 09:28 pm (UTC)it's straight men (from the studies I've read) who are writing the bulk of the slash
Wow, I'd want to see those studies. That claims runs directly counter to long-standing history, and to the overwhelming bluk of my personal experience. (I don't write slash myself, and rarely read it, but I have a whole bunch of female friends who are serious slash writers, and no male friends who are.)
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Date: 2004-12-07 02:32 am (UTC)Another short story
Date: 2004-12-06 05:32 pm (UTC)Re: Another short story
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Date: 2004-12-06 08:51 pm (UTC)With the availability of more and more self-publishing, I think you'll see the sort story moved into that niche-but then, of course, Sturgeon's Law will inevitibly apply, so finding the "good stuff" will just become that more difficult.
As far as homoxesuality becoming completely acceptable killing slash, let me ask: did the sexual revoltion of late 20th Century US culture kill heterosexual porn?
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Date: 2004-12-07 01:57 am (UTC)On the other hand, F&SF anthologies (usually based on a theme) still seem to be popular, so maybe it's more of a migration.
And since you mentioned Cassie Claire, dunno if you heard, but she's made her first published sale. She's got a story in new book in the Chicks in Chainmail series, Turn the other chick.
Baen Books has made portions of the book available online and Cassie Claire's short story, "The Girl's Guide to Defeating the Dark Lord," can be read here.
If you want to compliment the author directly, here's a link to her LiveJournal announcement.
[here was my original blog post on her story.]
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Date: 2004-12-10 05:19 am (UTC)I think the falloff in short SF is directly related to the falloff in places to publish it -- which would mean a falloff in demand. I mean, yes, for publishers there's more money in publishing long novels (or better, long series), but if there was a huge demand for short stories, you'd better believe they'd be rushing to supply that.
Maybe short SF got too experimental. Maybe it's a lifestyle change -- that people who read want something that they can really get into and spend hours with, whereas fewer and fewer people who don't read are bothering with fiction. That readership is migrating toward extremes, in other words -- either people want to read a lot, or they don't want to read at all.
On the slash question -- I would second what was said in the thread, my experience is that most slash writers are women. And they're not doing it out of rebellion, but because it really turns them on, in which case social acceptability is irrelevant.