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At Balticon, a few people told me that they were interested in learning calligraphy but they had bad handwriting, so I'm going to tell you something about getting into calligraphy and why your handwriting doesn't matter.

First, about the handwriting. I have mediocre handwriting--it's a legible (to me, most of the time) scrawl. This is because I don't care about my handwriting all that much. I'm sure there's some minimum neurological competence you need to do calligraphy, but I bet anyone whose hands are in good enough shape for ordinary living has got it.

This "I can't/won't try calligraphy because I have bad handwriting" thing leaves me comprehensively pissed off at conventional schooling--that's where people get the impression that if you didn't learn school subjects and topics related to them in school, you can't learn them at all. This is a false idea, and utterly poisonous.

OK, back to calligraphy, a much more pleasing topic. It's certainly possible to be self-taught. I was--I worked from books (probably the Speedball book and Johnston's _Writing, Illuminating, and Lettering) and
copied out the second two books of the Divine Comedy into notebooks, using various lettering styles. A casual look at calligraphy books suggests that they're generally pretty good and cover similar points. A major reason to accumulate calligraphy books is admiring the calligraphy and wanting the different styles.

A teacher might have helped, but what I had was something I liked enough to be willing to put in a lot of hours into. I might have been able to learn faster if I had more conscious goals, but the truth is that I just tried (and still try) to make the letters more satisfying when I letter. A lot of this is a hunt for eveness, but it somehow brings good proportion and smooth strokes along with it. I've been lucky that my ambition is always just a little ahead of what I can actually do. I'll look at my ten or twenty year old work, and be amazed that I didn't notice how bad most of it was, but it's probably just as well that I couldn't see it.

Some books recommend starting out with projects as soon as possible so as to get into the habit of doing design. This is not a bad idea on the face of it, but I don't know if I would have done as much calligraphy if I thought I had to do a lot of design, too.

Materials are important. I recommend going into the hobby with a little willingness to waste money, since sometimes when you just can't get a decent stroke to happen, it's because there's something wrong with your combination of penpoint, ink, paper, and/or temperature and humidity.

I started out with Osmiroid and Platignum fountain pens, and went on to dip pens. The big advantage of dip pens is that you can use absolutely opaque inks, and I love absolutely opaque ink. I currently use Brause points and Tape points--these are recommended for the heavy-handed calligrapher. If you want a springier point, try Mitchell. Tiny little detail not known by the general public: Brause and Tape 1 mm points are different sizes. This is good news, since it gives a little more flexibility in stroke thickness. Don't tell the companies, or this "problem" might get corrected.

Speedball (the most commonly available points/nibs) aren't bad. I've seen very good work done with them. Sometimes I wonder whether I've defaulted to more obscure points out of sheer snobbery.

And if you want to get started the easiest way, try felt tip points. Zig makes very nice ones in hundreds of colors.

These days, I'm using Moon Palace Ink, but I'm not completely in love with it. I may need to waste some money in search of a more opaque and cooperative ink.

I use gouache (opaque water colors) for color. I've used Windsor and Newton and Schminke (both companies also make good metallics), and McCaffery's Ivory for white.

My two suppliers are John Neal Books and Paper & Ink Arts. They're both very good, and have product lists that don't entirely overlap.

I use plate bristol board (the smoothest) for button masters. Cottonelle or something of the sort for white, Coloraid for solid colors and black (this is paper with the colors silkscreened on--it's a wonderful texture/surface, but a little expensive and has to be mail-ordered), banner paper (also for solids--cheap, good surface, but not very many colors available), and "vellum", which is very nice to letter on, but unforgiving if you make badges out of it, not to mention various multicolored papers designed for laser printers.

Calligraphy is kinesthetic/tactile as well as visual. It's important to feel the contact the pen point (nib, except that I have a habit of calling them pen points) makes with the paper. In particular, the basic strokes require that you keep the whole edge of a broad point in contact with the paper. (Sometimes you're using that whole width, sometimes you're getting a hairline by moving in the direction of the width of the point, sometimes you're getting varying width of stroke because you're intermediate between the two directions.) And if you're at all interested in T'ai Chi or anything of the sort, I recommend it. What you can do with your hands is influenced by your general coordination.

On the other hand, I've had people tell me I look like I'm meditating when I letter. Part of me might be meditating, but the conscious part is probably worrying about money, trying to figure out how to deal with hypothetical slights (really! and I have no idea why I spend time on that), or contemplating dinner.

I found that I could letter more evenly if I expanded my vision/attention to include what I'd already written. This makes it easier to have a consistant size and slant than if I'm just depending on my mental image of the letters.

And if you've got questions about any of this, just ask.

Date: 2006-06-01 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sturgeonslawyer.livejournal.com
Thank you for this!

Some years ago I self-taught a limited amount of calligraphy exactly because my "normal" handwriting was so atrocious -- not only sloppy, but childish. I used it primarily for gift tags, thank you cards, and the like, then adapted what I had learned backwards to "normal" ball pens. It's had the desired effect: except when I am hugely rushed, my handwriting is now generally legible.

So three cheers for calligraphy as a useful hobby, even if you aren't interested in doing "projects."

Date: 2006-06-01 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kallisti.livejournal.com
Hear! Hear!

My hand writing sucks galactic muffins, but my calligraphy is excellent. I used to do certificates for costume shows, but got tired of spending sometimes two or three hours Saturday nights waiting and doing calligraphy. As well, I find that when I get tired, I trance out and start writing random letters...not good for certificates. {grin}

ttyl
Farrell McGovern

Date: 2006-06-01 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
If I'm tired, I might start transcribing what I'm hearing or thinking rather than what I intended to write.

Date: 2006-06-02 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pocketnaomi.livejournal.com
I can't learn calligraphy because I have the world's worst eye-hand coordination. :( I've tried.

Date: 2006-06-02 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pocketnaomi.livejournal.com
Actually, I should add, my hand coordination is awful regardless of what sense I am using to guide it. It's a lot worse without my eyes, because when I can't see my fingers, I don't have any sense at all of where they are. It's why I sight type at 90 wpm but can't touch type at all... I know where the keys are, but I have no idea where my hands are unless I'm looking at them. Can't learn how to play any instrument which requires the hands in different places, either, like a violin or guitar, because I can't see them both at once and whichever one I'm not looking at is hopeless. I was fine at piano as long as I looked at my fingers all the time... which of course my piano teachers always told me not to do.

Date: 2006-06-02 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goldcube.livejournal.com
I agree with you about the unfortunateness of people being told in school that they 'can't' do this or that. Most people draw like 3rd graders because that's when they found out they 'couldn't draw' & stopped trying. In previous centuries, being able to draw was just one of the accomplishments of a civilized & cultured person - nothing special, only for 'talented' people. I am trying to fix this by teaching people to draw, using something like the methods in Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

There's a similar thing going on with singing. I know several people who were told as children that they 'couldn't sing' & sometimes were even told not to sing along with the rest of the class because they might 'ruin' it. One of these people has done quite well performing in musical comedy, where his singing hasn't seem to 'ruin' it yet.

Date: 2006-06-02 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
I was one of the people who was told I couldn't sing, and to just move my mouth. I've had enough singing lessons to establish that I could be an adequate singer if I worked on it, but I haven't.

However, that sort of thing is very direct words. How do people become convinced that they can't improve their handwriting or learn math or whatever if they didn't learn it in school?

Date: 2006-06-02 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goldcube.livejournal.com
Well I may have a bad attitude toward school - no, I definitely have a bad attitude towards school - but I think the whole atmosphere of most people's education gives them the message that people are somehow born being good & bad at things & that there's nothing that can be done about it.

Date: 2006-06-02 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dcseain.livejournal.com
Cool, you're actually posting, as promised. : )

Date: 2006-06-02 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wings13.livejournal.com
Hey Nancy, kewl... didn't know you were into calligraphy. I was way into it years ago before my son was born, I belonged to the Phila Calligraphers Society (I wonder if that still exists?) I used to get a lot of my supplies at Taws and (drat, the name just popped out of my head, the one at Broad and Pine (?)... Oh, Utrecht, yeah! But they're not as good as they used to be. Pearl would probably be pretty good for some stuff too. I don't do much now, sometimes I get out an oblique point felt tip and write a bit...

Date: 2006-06-02 05:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mneme
FWIW...I'm pretty sure I'd be horrid at caligraphy for the same reasons my handwriting is dreadful (ie, dysgraphia).

And yeah, I tried calligraphy for a while (as a teen) -- never got any good at it; in the same way that my handwriting can get more readable if I slow down and concentrate...but it never gets good enough that it's worth the trade-off.

Date: 2006-06-02 05:43 pm (UTC)
mneme: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mneme
That said, my coordination for some other things (fencing, frex) isn't too bad. Which is interesting, but...

Date: 2006-06-03 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com
Not necessarily odd, though. Fine motor coordination (use of fingers and hands for tasks involving tiny movements and precision) does not always go with gross motor coordination (being able to swing a golf club or a baseball bat accurately to hit the requisite kind of ball, for example).

Date: 2006-06-03 08:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mneme
It's an odd comparison, since fencing isn't really (at least, the way I studied it) primarily an athletic activity -- much of the play is finger/hand work. But yeah, it also rewards very different styles of coordination -- timing, etc.

Date: 2006-06-03 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com
I'm sure you're correct that fencing primarily involves finger/hand work. On the other hand, the fineness of the finger/hand coordination doesn't matter in quite the same way as it might, for example, in embroidery.

Date: 2006-06-03 08:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mneme
Won't arue with that -- at least, not right now. What about origami?

Things I'm bad at: writing, drawing, calligraphy, sewing, cutting things with scissors,

Things I'm good at: typing, fencing, origami

Some of these, of course (like sewing) might be just lack of interest/practice.

Date: 2006-06-03 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com
I don't think that origami actually requires that much coordination (though people who actually practice it are welcome to disagree with me). It seems to me that what's more important with origami is seeing the relationships between lines and placing the folds and creases correctly. To do that, patience would be more important than coordination.

Don't know what the issue is re: cutting things with scissors. I suppose I'd have to see the kind of problems you have and mistakes you make in doing so to have an opinion.

The fact that you're good at typing suggests to me that fine motor coordination is not your problem. Maybe it is a lack of practice/interest issue, or something at the neurological level is involved.

The Oracle refuses to issue further opinions, and tries to change the subject. :-)

Date: 2006-06-03 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathyr19355.livejournal.com
It's certainly possible to be self-taught. I was

So am I--though it's been years since I've picked up a pen with serious intent. Also, I was never interested in doing it enough to put in the time that [livejournal.com profile] nancylebov has.

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