Jane Jacobs?
Jun. 19th, 2009 08:23 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
I mentioned that I think Jane Jacobs is better known among libertarians than elsewhere in the comments here, and then it occurred to me that I don't really know. Unfortunately, lj doesn't offer a good way of getting correlations among different answers, and this isn't a random sample either, but I hope to get a better-informed vague impression.
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Date: 2009-06-20 03:00 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2009-06-20 03:37 am (UTC)Never heard of Jane Jacobs at all until your post.
Looking up her Wikipedia entry... the Cliffs notes versions of her various works lead me to believe I'd generally disagree with her. She believed that greater diversity and community would result if city planning were left mostly laissez-faire... but I don't think she takes into account the fact that, in most cases, it is the property owners and developers who push for zoning, gentrification, "urban renewal", etc. and pull the levers of government to see them happen. I'd file her whole series of arguments under Just Doesn't Work.
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Date: 2009-06-20 04:23 am (UTC)See for example Gabriel Kolko's Railroads and Regulation, or the early history of the telephone industry.
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Date: 2009-06-20 01:58 pm (UTC)Jones' end goal cannot be reached by the means suggested in the summary of her works.
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Date: 2009-06-20 01:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-06-20 02:09 pm (UTC)If she said anything explicit about theoretical limits of government, I can't think of it. Her orientation was more about identifying the livelier parts of society, and arguing that it's crucial not to squelch them. When she was writing, big government plans were the most serious threat.
Some of her views were unique (which doesn't mean I have a strong opinion about whether they were right or wrong). She believed that each city should have its own currency and that governments shouldn't cover more than one city.
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Date: 2009-06-20 09:56 am (UTC)Or is this American completely misunderstanding what you meant? The implications might not be the same in Canada.
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Date: 2009-06-20 01:39 pm (UTC)-- Steve dearly misses his Red Tories, with whom one could beat the Liberals back into sensibility after they'd grown too comfortable with power.
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Date: 2009-06-20 05:24 am (UTC)Microsoft doesn't send people into my apartment to arrest me and put me in prison for owning a Mac Mini or running OSX. They don't confiscate my Mac, or destroy it. They don't come in and force me to install Windows compatible software on it. They don't force me to pay money to support Microsoft whether I use their software or not, while leaving me free to pay extra if I want the luxury of running a different system. They don't compel me to undergo indoctrination on the superiority of Windows to other systems. Governments have the power to do things comparable to all of those. So the powers of a very powerful corporation are less than those of a fairly weak government.
In fact, when corporations set out to do abusive things, for the most part, they don't commit the big abuses themselves; rather, they subvert courts, law enforcement, and regulatory agencies to do them favors. That is, it's more efficient for corporations to subcontract the exercise of concentrated power over individuals to government, which specializes in it, than to rely on self-help.
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Date: 2009-06-20 05:25 pm (UTC)Libertarianism, like socialism, attracts people out toward the geek end of the spectrum.
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Date: 2009-06-20 03:20 pm (UTC)I get the feeling that W polarized the libertarians, pushing some to "this is not what we mean by liberty" and others to "first we need stronger security to protect liberty."
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Date: 2009-06-20 09:23 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2009-06-20 12:54 pm (UTC)Jane Jacobs is well known in architectural and city planning circles, regardless of political orientation. She's also somewhat famous among archaeologists and anthropologists.
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Date: 2009-06-29 12:47 am (UTC)