Looking for torture doesn't work links, especially from US military

[nancylebov]

It's looks like it's time to argue about this, again.

I know there's a lot of good work online about it, including from pecunium, but I don't have specific locations handy to memory.

Also, anything solid about the long term effects of torture which doesn't leave visible marks would be appreciated.

Addendum:Eric says (in comments) that he's against torture. However, he seems to define anything which doesn't leave marks as not being torture.

I'll be working on sorting this stuff out when I comment over there.

Comments

[avram]

Why does it not surprise me that Raymond is a torture advocate?

[nancylebov.livejournal.com]

I guess it shouldn't. Eric has a fondness (afaik only theoretical/emotional) for violent solutions, and a difficulty grasping that violent solutions (even by the people on your own side) may have undesirable side effects.

I'm working on an argument to the effect that good effects gotten from extreme level of consent in his beloved open-source movement should offer a clue that behaving as though people have minds is an option which should be considered more carefully.

[noveldevice.livejournal.com]

...wow.

Once again, I wish wilful ignorance in defiance of the facts was painful to the ignorant, rather than the rest of us. Reasoned argument will get you nowhere with that one. If he likes violent solutions, why not just hit him with a hammer till he stops blabbing?

[nancylebov.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure anyone's immune to willful ignorance. As you say, it might be better for the human race if it were painful, but don't count on all the ignorance being on one side.

I don't know if I was behaving like it by linking to his blog, but Eric is a longterm friend of mine.

[noveldevice.livejournal.com]

My thoughts on this are more complex than can be easily tapped out on an iPod when I should be translating Alcman.