Looking for torture doesn't work links, especially from US military

[nancylebov]

It's looks like it's time to argue about this, again.

I know there's a lot of good work online about it, including from pecunium, but I don't have specific locations handy to memory.

Also, anything solid about the long term effects of torture which doesn't leave visible marks would be appreciated.

Addendum:Eric says (in comments) that he's against torture. However, he seems to define anything which doesn't leave marks as not being torture.

I'll be working on sorting this stuff out when I comment over there.

Comments

[interactiveleaf.livejournal.com]

I'll let you sort through this, because I don't know exactly what you're looking for, but solarbird regularly blogs about it and lumps the posts under her general politics tag.

I'm actually surprised you don't read her already. Anyhoo, I hope this helps.

[nancylebov.livejournal.com]

The piece I want to argue with is written from the assumption that the only reason anyone would have for opposing torture is wanting to get status with fellow upper class liberals. Sensible tough people who really want to protect America have the common sense point of view that torture is the only reliable method of getting information from our enemies.

I'm not sure how far I'll into ad hominem, but I do want to lay out some facts about the existence and effectiveness of the profession of civilized military interrogation.

[schemingreader.livejournal.com]

What about the US Army? They aren't in favor of torture. Is the army full of high status liberals?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_34-52_Intelligence_Interrogation

[interactiveleaf.livejournal.com]

It's so effective that the CIA feels the need to lie about it, both to the public and to its own people.

Our views on torture have changed so much that Ronald Reagan is now left wing.

Torture is so effective that the gov't invokes the 'state secrets' theory to protect itself from having to be honest about it.

Torture is so much fun that we've deliberately tortured innocent people, people we absolutely knew to be innocent, in order to get false confessions.

No wonder Congress continues to cover that shit up.

Torture works so well that the national media doesn't like to use the word.

And, of course, torture doesn't work. CIA ops will tell you so. Military folks will tell you so. Scientists will tell you so. History will tell you so. Srsly, what more do we need?

[avram]

The piece I want to argue with is written from the assumption that the only reason anyone would have for opposing torture is wanting to get status with fellow upper class liberals.

The only reason Eric Raymond says about half the stuff that he says about politics is to piss off liberals anyway. Most of his political posts have a really obvious your outrage demonstrates how smart I am subtext. I think it's occasionally seeped up into the text, but I don't feel like wading through is archives to verify that.